X'IAN FAMILY VALUES
The Old Testament stance on family values could well be captured in the familiar passage "Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father."(Genesis 19:36).
I understand your pattern of making dramatic and outrageous opening statements (a la Howerd Stern), but they dont always have to be so difficult to believe, do they...smile?! And this one is not even clear in what you mean. Is this verse normative, and hense pro-incest? Or is it anti-normative and the reader supposed to know that the offspring of the daughter's actions became the greatest enemies of Israel in history? Are the readers supposed to have enough familiarity to know that the daughters got the father drunk in order to accomplish this, and that the father did not initiate this state of affairs? Or do you just hope that they will make a judgement without the benefit of exposure to the whole passage, and the relevant details in the text?
The biblical STANCE on family values is probably better drawn from the 10 Commandments-- "Honor your father & mother" , the celebration of romantic love (Song of Solomon), the nobility of the wife (Proverbs 31), her priority over parents (Gen 2.24) and civil responsibilities (Dt 24.5: "If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married"), responsibility of the parents for the welfare of their children (Deut 6, I Tim 5.8,). And all of this is intergrated around the central pillar of integrity and commitment to the creator of families--Yahweh (Deut 6.5).
That we don't have many good examples of family life in the bible (but have several aberrations of values, such as in the passage you advance) is irrelevant to the ethical position it holds up to us to emulate...(There would be an issue, however, if Lot's daughters were cited in the Bible as ethical role-models or prophets, but this is not the case!)
The New Testament has Jesus defining a updated set of family values including "And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, but he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."(Mark 10:29-30, Luke 18:29-30, and Matthew 19:29).
Several points here:
I am surprised you would use this verse, since it is VERY clear that this is talking about the ENEMIES of the disciples betraying them! More up-to-date translations bring this out:
"You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives, and friends, and they will put some of you to death. " (NIV)
It is truly difficult to give you the benefit of the doubt when you do this with the text: there are really only three options on how you can make a mistake like this:
Now, the fact that you cited Luke 21.16 in your list of references, but apparently didn't even include its data in reaching your conclusion(?!), indicates that you either:
All family considerations are influenced by Jesus' selfish demands to potential followers in "And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."(Luke 9:59-62 and Matthew 8:21- 22).
I love your 'selfish demands' phrase! Wild stuff! I wonder if fire marshalls are considered selfish when they instruct the firemen to drop 'whatever they are doing' to help put out a fire? I wonder if the leaders of the German resistance were considered 'selfish' when they called their recruits to place all 'at risk' in the name of truth and justice? I wonder if soldiers in wartime are considered 'selfish' when they chose to help their living buddies in battle before burying the fallen ones? I wonder if it's 'selfish' for a person to place a higher priority on helping the living than on paying respects to the dead? Yeah, I guess maybe you're right--they probably are...
Additional family values are contained in "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."(Luke 14:26----the Greek 'miseo' translated 'hate' means 'detest', 'despise', and 'abhor').
(I already dealt with this in an earlier post--the net was that you were just using out-of-date linguistic data and tools.)
Jesus details further in "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."(Matthew 10:34-37 and Luke 12:51-53)
This is just another statement of the same thing--the basic priority scheme of life...the two great commandements: Love the Lord your God with all you are, and then love your neighbor as yourself...in that order...Also, we do know that truth CAN divide families and communities, but this fact does not lesson our responsibility to seek and hold the truth--whatever the consequences for us personally. Nobody ever promised us it would be otherwise....
Jesus' curt rudeness to his own parents is revealed in "And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"(Luke 2:49)
Where is the 'curt rudeness' in that remark? That's no different than saying "Don't you remember I said I was going to the dance on Saturday?"
and to his mother "Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come."(John 2:4).
A couple of points here:
Eh? Where's the rejection in the verse? I didn't see it as you sailed it by...I do see Jesus seizing the opportunity to use their presence as an object-lesson...I don't see the verse saying that Jesus wouldn't see them(!)...and I suppose they didn't feel too strong of a rejection, they all were present as believers at Pentecost (Acts 1.14, 2.1)...not to mention that when Jesus was being executed on the Cross, he 'took time out' from saving the world to take care of his mom (Jn 19.26-27)--that may be a good acid-test of his family values...
Yessir...for anyone desiring to learn about X'ian Family Values, one need only turn to that GREATEST of all holy books, the Bible.
On this, I can agree with you.